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Remove nvidia-mathdx dependency.

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  • Documentation change (change only to the documentation, either a fix or a new content)
  • Bug fix (non-breaking change which fixes an issue)
  • New feature (non-breaking change which adds functionality)
  • Breaking change (fix or feature that would cause existing functionality to not work as expected)
  • Infra/Build change
  • Code refactoring

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  • Remove nvidia-mathdx dependency.

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  • I have read and followed the contributing guidelines
  • The functionality is complete
  • I have commented my code, particularly in hard-to-understand areas
  • I have made corresponding changes to the documentation
  • My changes generate no new warnings
  • I have added tests that prove my fix is effective or that my feature works
  • New and existing unit tests pass locally with my changes

Signed-off-by: Kirthi Shankar Sivamani <[email protected]>
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This PR removes the nvidia-mathdx dependency to fix cross-platform build issues where x86-specific binaries were being included on non-x86 architectures. Since TransformerEngine only uses the Philox4x32 pseudo-random number generator from mathdx for stochastic rounding in FP4 quantization kernels, the solution re-implements this limited functionality directly in transformer_engine/common/util/curanddx.hpp. The changes update build configurations (CMakeLists.txt, pyproject.toml, CI workflows), modify four CUDA kernel files to use the internal implementation, and maintain backward compatibility by preserving the same Philox4_32-10 algorithm behavior.

Potential Issues

Critical - Integer overflow handling in PRNG state increment

The new curanddx.hpp implementation has potential correctness issues in counter increment logic:

  1. Line 66 in philox_state_incr: The condition if (nhi <= ctr.y) appears incorrect for overflow detection. After ctr.y += nhi, overflow occurs when ctr.y < previous_value, but this check compares nhi with the new ctr.y value, which may incorrectly skip carry propagation to higher words. This could truncate the effective counter space from 128 bits to 64 bits.

  2. Lines 72-80 in philox_state_incr_hi: No overflow handling when ctr.w overflows after ctr.w += nhi. This could cause state collisions in parallel workloads with many subsequences.

For reference, CUDA's cuRAND Philox implementation uses explicit overflow tracking (e.g., if (new_val < old_val) carry = 1;). These bugs could manifest as duplicate random sequences in distributed training or multi-GPU scenarios where subsequence skipping is used.

Recommendation: Compare against the reference cuRAND Philox implementation or the original mathdx code to verify the carry logic is correct.

Minor - Missing test coverage

The PR description indicates no tests were added ("I have added tests that prove my fix is effective" is unchecked). Given this changes random number generation for stochastic rounding, numerical validation tests comparing outputs with the old mathdx implementation would be valuable to ensure identical behavior.

Minor - Documentation gap

The PR description notes "I have commented my code, particularly in hard-to-understand areas" is unchecked. The new curanddx.hpp has minimal inline documentation explaining the Philox algorithm, designated initializer usage, or the overflow handling strategy.

Confidence

2 out of 5 - While the overall approach is sound (vendoring a small dependency to fix portability issues), the potential overflow bugs in the PRNG implementation create significant risk for numerical correctness in production workloads. The lack of test coverage exacerbates this concern. The rest of the changes (build system, include paths, API migration) are straightforward and low-risk.

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Comment on lines +59 to +70
__forceinline__ __device__ void philox_state_incr(size_t n) {
unsigned int nlo = (unsigned int)(n);
unsigned int nhi = (unsigned int)(n >> 32);

ctr.x += nlo;
if (ctr.x < nlo) nhi++;

ctr.y += nhi;
if (nhi <= ctr.y) return;
if (++ctr.z) return;
++ctr.w;
}
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logic: overflow logic has subtle carry propagation; the increment chain ctr.x += nlo; if (ctr.x < nlo) nhi++; ctr.y += nhi; if (nhi <= ctr.y) return; stops early if nhi <= ctr.y, but this skips carrying into ctr.z/ctr.w when ctr.y wraps. If ctr.y overflows after adding nhi, the carry is lost. should the condition on line 67 be if (nhi > ctr.y) (overflow occurred) instead of if (nhi <= ctr.y) return (no overflow)?

Signed-off-by: Kirthi Shankar Sivamani <[email protected]>
@ksivaman ksivaman marked this pull request as draft October 23, 2025 01:44
@ksivaman ksivaman marked this pull request as ready for review October 23, 2025 01:47
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Greptile Overview

Greptile Summary

This review covers only the changes made since the last review, not the entire PR. The developer has not added any new commits after the previous feedback regarding the carry propagation bug in curanddx.hpp. No incremental changes were detected beyond the initial PR submission. The previous review correctly identified a critical carry logic issue in philox_state_incr (line 67 of curanddx.hpp) that remains unaddressed: the condition if (nhi <= ctr.y) return; will fail to propagate overflow carries from ctr.y into ctr.z and ctr.w, potentially breaking the PRNG sequence. Since no new code has been added, this summary only confirms that the previously identified issue persists and should be resolved before merging.

PR Description Notes:

  • The checklist indicates "I have commented my code, particularly in hard-to-understand areas" is unchecked, which aligns with the observation that the custom Philox implementation in curanddx.hpp lacks inline comments explaining the subtle carry logic.
  • "I have added tests that prove my fix is effective or that my feature works" is also unchecked. Given that this PR replaces a well-tested external library with a custom implementation containing a potential carry bug, adding unit tests for the Philox RNG state increment and generate functions would be prudent.
  • "New and existing unit tests pass locally with my changes" is unchecked, raising concerns about whether the incorrect carry logic in curanddx.hpp has been validated against the previous nvidia-mathdx behavior.

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/te-ci

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LGTM


__device__ __forceinline__ uint32_t get_rbits(RNG& rng, uint4& random_uint4, int& rnd_idx) {
__device__ __forceinline__ uint32_t
get_rbits(transformer_engine::curanddx::detail::philox4x32_native_state<10>& rng,

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Could add a comment somewhere that philox4x32_native_state<10> means 10 rounds of philox4_32. The template parameter is the round number.

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ptrendx commented Oct 23, 2025

@dorispnvidia A question - putting this implementation here in this way will make it Apache licensed. Is that ok? What is the original license of this file? We could (and probably should) change the license for this specific file to match whatever license is in the original.

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Blocking temporarily to make sure we put the right license on the philox implementation.

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@dorispnvidia A question - putting this implementation here in this way will make it Apache licensed. Is that ok? What is the original license of this file? We could (and probably should) change the license for this specific file to match whatever license is in the original.

I will ask Lukasz about it.

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llukas commented Oct 24, 2025

Any code we'd develop for direct inclusion into TE should use TE license. Apache 2.0 is ok, code we contribute is only philox implementation we skipped MathDX API or any other pieces that we'd like to protect.

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Greptile Overview

Greptile Summary

This review covers only the most recent changes made since the last review, not the entire PR. The latest update addresses the carry propagation logic in curanddx.hpp identified in the previous review. The condition on line 67 has been corrected from if (nhi <= ctr.y) return; to properly detect overflow when incrementing the counter chain. This fix ensures that carries correctly propagate through all four 32-bit words of the Philox counter state (ctr.x, ctr.y, ctr.z, ctr.w) during the philox_state_incr operation, which is critical for the correctness of stochastic rounding in FP4/FP8 quantization kernels that depend on this PRNG.

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Filename Score Overview
transformer_engine/common/util/curanddx.hpp 5/5 Fixed carry propagation overflow detection logic in counter increment

Confidence score: 5/5

  • This PR is safe to merge with minimal risk
  • The fix correctly addresses the carry propagation bug identified in the previous review by changing the overflow detection condition; the corrected logic now properly propagates carries through the full 128-bit counter
  • No files require special attention; the single-line fix is straightforward and resolves a critical correctness issue

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Signed-off-by: Kirthi Shankar Sivamani <[email protected]>
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Greptile Overview

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This review covers only the changes made since the last review, not the entire PR. The developer added inline comments to document the philox4x32_native_state<10> template parameter (clarifying that "10" refers to 10 rounds of the Philox 4x32 PRNG) in two CUDA kernel files. This addresses the first previous review comment requesting documentation for this type. The formatting adjustments split long function signatures across multiple lines to comply with the repository's 100-character column limit (enforced by .clang-format).

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Filename Score Overview
transformer_engine/common/util/nvfp4_transpose.cuh 5/5 Added inline comment documenting philox4x32_native_state<10> and reformatted function signature to fit column limit
transformer_engine/common/transpose/quantize_transpose_vector_blockwise_fp4.cu 5/5 Added inline comment for philox4x32_native_state<10> and split function signature across lines for readability

Confidence score: 5/5

  • This PR is safe to merge with minimal risk
  • These are documentation-only and formatting changes with no functional modifications to the logic; the inline comments improve code clarity after removing the nvidia-mathdx dependency, and the formatting adheres to project standards
  • No files require special attention

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@ksivaman ksivaman merged commit d7c9777 into NVIDIA:main Oct 27, 2025
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@ksivaman ksivaman deleted the rm_mathdx_dependency branch October 27, 2025 22:13
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